OK you fly freaks I am in

[joev]

Ok You guys got me going now.I bought a Okuma fly reel w/spare spool and have a Temple Fork or Creek or something like that coming in.Its a 12 weight.Big and heavy for trolling them big flies.Going to rig it up with a sinking line and make a few sections of leadcore line to get deep .So I have a few patterns so far.
1. Tube and worm fly
2. Mambo minnow fly
3. Big rubber sassy shad fly
4. Big wooden swimmer fly
5. Big live eel fly
Is there any other patterns I should get ?:D
Really all kidding aside it will be used mostly trolling.Plan on doing some casting in a few holes I know.So can you guys show me a few big patterns for trolling.Especially intrested in large herring type flies.Maybe a big black fly with rattles.

JoeV

[FLYRODER]

Sedotti's Bozo Slammer is the only truely big fly imitation.

[joev]

Flyroder Thats a nice looking fly .That looks very hard to tie though.Whats a fly like that cost if you were to buy it ? .A friend of mine Arnie Sabatelli was tying some big flies that were great looking these things looked like a herring in the water .I am going to hook up with him and have him try and help me get going on this fly tying stuff .


JoeV

[FLYRODER]

Joe the bozo slammers can't be bought in stores. None that I know of anyway. The creator of the fly Mark Sedotti sometimes posts on these boards in the fly tying section. Maybe he would be willing to sell you a few flies.

[SamRiley]

Holly Molly :eek:
Way to go Joe. Hope you love that 12wt. Should be tough enough to take on your usual cows and maybe even some bigger game. You ever try casting before? Might want to work your way up to those monster patterns, they can be tough.

[ruge13]

JOEV, congrats. PM me your address I have a "herring pattern" I got from a friend that I never use. I will send it to you. Its about 8 or 9" long. Might be what you are looking for. I don't use it because I can't cast it. Not that good yet. Mark Sedotti will also be at the Somersett show near you guys. I would look him up there. You would be able to get a chance to talk to him. You and Jon should look into stocking them, from what I have seen (isn't all that much) big flies are hard to find... The Okuma you have is probably an "Integrity"?? Thats what I have. I love mine. I beat the $@#% out of it last year and its still in great workign condition. Ran stripers, blues and albies through it last year at least 3 times a week and its still kicking.

[joev]

Sam I had a 7 weight for trout fishing with just a floating line and have a 4 or 5 for small brooks and used it my former job company pond for stocked trout.So I did it a little.Most spots I will be on top of the fish 30 ft cast at most.Trolling will be done most of the time.If I like it I could always get me a smaller rod.

Shaun Thanks Check your pm.I didnt want to spend to much on a reel .Should work fine for what I will be doing.

JoeV

[Brianf27]

May want to try a big flatwing like a Razzle Dazzle. Saltwater Edge sells them. They can be tied in excess of 12". I can only get to ~8 or 9" with the hackles I have. Here is a herring pattern I tied with Yak trolling in mind. My camera stinks...

[tommat23]

Joe,

If you want some flies let me know and I will tie them for you. Bigger patterns are hard to find in any store and if you do it will likely cost $12.00 and up. Just tell me the length and i will work up some different styles. Mine are very light and I can cast a 10" fly easily on a 10wt rod. By the way, you know how I feel about trolling a fly, so I won't go down that road with you again.

Tom

[Wes]

Yaks are just trolling machines, though. Never go anywhere much above troll speed.

I got a bag of bluefish flies for you Joe, just started, so, well, you know.

[notime]

I knew you'd break down. Welcome to the addiction.

[RJ]

Shaun,

Send me the pattern. I don't troll big flies, but I do sink 'em with a heavy line down into the 30 ' deep range and drift with the tide. 9 - 10" bluebacked herring for cows in the spawning mode! Catch and release the momma's, keep the occasional l male for dinner. :cool:

[joev]

Brian
Nice fly .This whole fly tying thing is getting to me though .You need alot of stuff.Alot to learn about making them.
How long does it take to make one Brian ?

Tom

Thanks for that offer .I will certainly take you up on it.
Watched my friend Arnie drift n strip and rember how that fly look just drifting suspended about 1 ft off the bottom.Another boat guy AlbiemanMike was doing that from his boat .Looked good.
Dont know if they make this fly but here is what I was thinking.
Big herring pattern fly.Pushes alot of water(I dont know how much alot is but tie it so it does)Maybe a ratlle.Just trying to replicate some crazy nights throwing black mambo minnows for bass after bass.What do you think?Read a pretty good article about guys using the rattle in herring patterns.Rember most spots a 30-40 ft cast is all I need .Plus the drift n strip.I think I could do that all day & night.Troll up drift back.Find a bunch of fish and try to cast .

Jim
Be glad to have some Blues tear them up for ya know thats what friends are for :D

Notime Got to give it a try .I am a trolling machine in my yak.I think it will work .If the flys dont the tube will :D

JoeV

[tommat]

Hi Joe,

I can tie them with rattles, no problem. Just have to check on how the flies will swim as the rattle floats so it can effect the movement of the pattern. If it was Spring I would test in my swimming pool before I sent them out. How long do you want your patterns?....8", 10", 12"?
Do you want some all black patterns for night fishing? I use all black on the new moon and yelllow on the full. Send me your address and I will start working on the patterns.

Tom

[ruge13]

Rj, sorry I actually only had the one fly and I sent it to joe already this morning. Yaks are trolling machines...hmmm...

[Brianf27]

Joe,
Depends on fly and attention span. Tied that one during 1st quarter of playoff game while watching. Tying is not worth the expense just for the sake of accumulating flies. I enjoy it tremendously, it gives me something to do in the winter and it's very satisfying to catch a fish on something made yourself. Learning can be difficult w/o help. I started when I was 11 and never even saw another person tie until I was 16. I watched Eric Leiser tie at a show and learned about 2 years of information in an hour. We have many world class tiers in the area who tie at shows and clubs...

[bluewatr]

Joe,

Congrats!

Holy Sh$t! A 12 wht.... ???

I have some effective patterns that work well when trolling....

I would be happy to show you the flies....

We should hook up in the spring....

-mike

[joev]

Mike You think its to small for me ?:D
Maybe I should get a bigger one ?
JoeV

[bluewatr]

JoeV,

Well when you hook into that 50lber you will be glad you had the 12wht.... :)

I got towed by a monster last fall and couldnt really put the bone to him and lost him.... But then again I was using only 10lb flouro for an end tippet and that was in the back of my mind the whole time....

I think that since you will be mainly trolling with the 12wht that it will suite your needs well. I like to get out of the yak and cast while wading sometimes... Thus FOR ME the 9 wht is more versatile... Best of luck with the fly-rod. I know that you will do well with it!


-mike

[FLYRODER]

Joe 12wts are used to catch 60+lb tunas and big sailfish. A 10wt would be perfect for big stripers from the yak.

[joev]

So should I get then 10 weight instead ?

The rod is a 12 weight but they said its more of a 11.They made this years 12 a bit stiffer for better loading.Dont really know what all that means but is what I was told.They said it casted the 11 better than the 12.

So can you guys give me some kinda of idea what we are talking here.What I mean is say a 10 weight 10 ft fly rod is rated for 1-3 oz like a surf stick what would the 12 be maybe 3-6 or would it be like a boat stick 8-16 oz.I dont know cause I never casted anything bigger than a 7 weight wich seems really whimpy.Sorry for my vague references just trying to compare it to something I am familiar with.

JoeV

[bluewatr]

So should I get then 10 weight instead ?

I use a tip flex TRIDENT 9 wht. It is 9.5ft long. If I were you I would get a stiff 9wht or a shallow 10.wht

If your using the Tarpon a 9.5' rod is perfect.

If you do get an 11wht I have a nice Int. Triangle Taper Wolf line I would be willing to sell.

It's been used twice!

I purchased it to try and overload my 9-10wht trident tip flex. I did not like the results. It sits in my closet collecting dust.

-mike

[bluewatr]

Also!
Like Paul said!

Small flies work toooooooooooooooo ! (for the hogs)

[tommat]

Joe,

Fly rods are rated more by the quarry you are after, where you will fish for them and the size fly you expect to use. To expain further, I used to fish a 7wt for schoolie bass in salt ponds and it worked great. It was harder to use this rod off the boat at times because the rod lacked strength in the butt section to provide adequate lift. A 12wt rod is not made to blind cast all day as it will quickly wear you out. If the majority of your time is spent trolling, then it doesn't matter what weight rod you use. I use a 9' 10wt Sage RPLX, 9' 10wt T&T Horizon and a 9' 9wt LLbean SPT for all of my fishing having just sold my 7wt. I am still not sure why you are trolling a fly line anyway. Why not just stick with your noraml trolling setup which works so well for you now? What are you gaining by this except more gear? I see no advantages to trolling a fly over a conventional setup.

[Wes]

Some friends in Quebec use a section of fly line on salmon rods to troll small rapalas for lakers. They told me a fly line will follow your path very closely as you work around structure and along gradients while with mono or braid the bait will take the shortest path to the latest position of the boat. Read more/less the same in an article some place about trolling for trout from a canoe except he trolled streamers.

It's still very hard for me to cast and fish it from the yak. With the yak moving around I seem to have zero control of the line. Better right now I mostly troll it or get out and wade, otherwise it's pretty frustrating. I know some of you are pretty good at it so hoping it just takes more practise.

[joev]

What Jim Said about the line following and being able to control the depth better with the sinking heads.Plus I do plan on casting a few holes that usally hold fish just to give the trolling thing a break.I seen the way those flys look in a current suspened off the bottom and such it looked very real.

JoeV

[notime]

JoeV,

Regarding Brians fly being tough etc. I suggest you tie a few clousers. They are very easy, effective, and require only a few basic cheap materials. All you need is a pack of chartruese yak hair, pack of white yak hair, a flash material, and dumbells. For $15-20 you can tie a bunch of flies. You can also use bucktail which is cheaper, but it doesn't hold up as well and is harder to work with.

Another simple but effective fly is Ray's fly.

Once you get comfortable with the simple and cheap flies, you can move up to the more difficult flies that require feathers etc.

[JonS]

I'll have Joev's rod at the Somerset Show. Its a Temple Fork, one of the discontinued 12 wts. Very rare. They fish more like an 11 and like both an 11 and 12 weight line. The new 12s have a bit more muscle. This should be an excellent rod for what Joe wants to do. Big fish on big flies.

Tom, did Joey get a hold of you yet. We've got something that we think you'll really want. I'm not referring to your rod either.

[tommat]

Jon,

No I haven't spoken to Joey since he came back from PR. Will try and catch up with him over the weekend.

Tom

[bluewatr]

JoeV,

You really need to go for the tunoids... Once you hook up you will stop worrying about these bass so much.... Although the big bass are FUN..... They just don't compare.... The good thing about them is they can be caught 12 months out of the year!
My buddy hooked up a 57 lber and a 28lber in one trip. He said the 28lber fought much better the the 57lber. The 57lber was like reeling in a log...

Can't wait to see your posts after a tunoid hookup!

Get a versatile setup!

-mike