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kwakr
09-22-2003, 12:58 AM
The Sunday edition (9/21) of the Providence Journal has an article in the sports section about the criminal plea agreement between two RI fishing trap operators, a Mass fish dealer and the Federal Government. These guys were caught. How many are not?
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link, but I have it if it is permitted. Making striped bass a gamefish will end this kind of activity as there will be no sales allowed of wild stripers (to anyone, by anyone),
Just a little noise from the "quota grabbing nitwits" who can provide no proof of allegations or support of any governing body.
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Hey CMP. Are we still having fun?

What the heck. Here's the link:


Sorry, the link doesn't get you there . Lets' try the article itself.


3 firms fined for violating fishing rules
Two trap-net companies and one fish dealer publicly admit to trafficking in and mislabeling striped bass.

01:00 AM EDT on Sunday, September 21, 2003

BY KAREN LEE ZINER
Journal Staff Writer


The unusual apology, part of a criminal plea agreement between three local commercial fishing companies and the federal government, ran yesterday in the Sports section of The Providence Journal.

Under the heading, "We Apologize," Tallman & Mack Inc. and Point Trap Inc., both out of Little Compton, and Lotzzo's Inc., of Swansea, Mass., admitted in a paid advertisement that they illegally trafficked and falsely labeled striped bass. The companies paid for the ad.

"Fish stocks are a threatened resource which must be carefully monitored and regulated if the fishing industry is to survive. Violation of rules and regulations designed to ensure accurate catch assessments undermines the reasoned management of the resource and cannot be tolerated," the ad said.

"The companies understand this, and they urge the industry in general to work within the requirements of the law to ensure sustainable fisheries in the years to come."

The three companies pled guilty in U.S. District Court Friday to a federal criminal information charging them with a single count of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, according to the U.S. Attorney's office of Rhode Island.

The Lacey Act criminalizes interstate and foreign transport of fish taken and sold in violation of state law.

As part of their sentencing, the companies relinquished all money received for the illegal fish by donating $56,907 to the National Fish & Wildlife Foundation, a nonprofit organization dedicated to fish and wildlife conservation. The companies have also agreed to pay a $75,000 fine.

And, in advertisements they have paid for in The Journal and in the October issue of Commercial Fisheries News, they acknowledge that they illegally sold more than 30,000 pounds of striped bass that were either falsely labeled, or improperly tagged and not reported.

Tallman & Mack and Point Trap, both trap-net fishing companies, and Lotzzo's, a fish dealer, admitted selling and transporting tens of thousands of pounds of striped bass, also known as rockfish, without properly tagging each fish with a Rhode Island tag, in compliance with state laws.

The companies also admitted providing false invoices for much of the fish, and falsely reporting or failing to report the fish landings, as required by Rhode Island and federal laws.

The retail value of the sales was about $120,000. The defendants sold the illegal fish to companies in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Canada and elsewhere.

Special agents from the National Marine Fisheries Service conducted the probe, with assistance from the Rhode Island Department of Environmental Management. The case was prosecuted by the Rhode Island U.S. Attorney's office, and the Wildlife and Marine Resources Section of the Justice Department's Environment and Natural Resources Division.

flatts1
09-22-2003, 11:48 AM
Kwakr,

I know you think that I'm a "tiresome bore" but as long as you continue to campaign for Stripers Forever with fraudulent conclusions then I have to correct you (and others) when necessary.

The truth is that making Striped Bass a gamefish will not stop this type of illegal activity.

And, in advertisements they have paid for in The Journal and in the October issue of Commercial Fisheries News, they acknowledge that they illegally sold more than 30,000 pounds of striped bass that were either falsely labeled, or improperly tagged and not reported.

The premise for your assertion that making striped bass a game fish rests on the basis that striped bass will not be able to be sold to grocers, restaurants, etc because it will be illegal to sell striped bass.

However, the whole method behind these illegal sales of striped bass relied on HIDING THE FACT THAT THEIR FISH WERE STRIPED BASS.

So to the unassuming buyers, these fish could well ave been cod or haddock or something else.

To be sure, the folks who comitted this crime should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

However, the bottom line here is that making striped bass a game fish would have in no way prevented this from happening. Although it does provide for great sensationalism for those gullable enough to believe that Stripers Forever is truely interested what is best for the resource.

Again, I challenge you or Stripers Forever or anyone else to prove how SF's goals would in any way have stopped this already illegal activity.

Stripers Forever is a fraud and the sooner folks that can divert their energies toward working on the REAL problems that face striped bass (loss of estuaries, pollution, lack of forage, etc) then the sooner we can ALL benefit - and yes that includes commercial fishermen.

Mike Flaherty

kwakr
09-22-2003, 12:48 PM
However, the bottom line here is that making striped bass a game fish would have in no way prevented this from happening. [ [/B]
Again, I challenge you or Stripers Forever or anyone else to prove how SF's goals would in any way have stopped this already illegal activity [B[/B]

OK Mike. I said I was not intersted in sparring with you, but I'll keep it short and sweet so you can go have another homebrew. (You really should cut back on those; they're clouding your judgment).
If stripers were a game fish, you couldn't sell them, right? Not a tough concept. Repeat it a couple of times. If you can't sell them, why would the bottom feeders referenced in the article bother to catch them illegally (because they were neither tagged nor reported) in the first place? They would have no one to sell them to, right?
Therefore, it would appear that the goal of ending the commercial harvest should stop this kind of activity. Now, if what you're suggesting is that these illegally caught and sold fish would end up in fish markets labelled "striped sea trout", then maybe you have a point. After a few homebrews that might make some sense.
I think even a Pennsylvanian might be able to tell a striper from a codfish
Here's to ya....



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CMP
09-22-2003, 02:10 PM
Yawn, as always, you draw asinine conclusions based on a story that is completely unrelated to your little crusade. Your underlying assertion is that I approve of this type of activity when nothing could be further from the truth. IMO, these scumbags should have been fined far more heavily than they were, including a complete loss of license.

The problem with your "logic", k, is that you ASSume that all commercial fishermen approve of such activity. I suppose that I can trot out the numerous examples of weekend hobbyists getting bagged for the violations I have personally witnessed and lay their misdeeds at your feet, right? After all, they are hobbyists and so are you, ergo, you must argee with their actions, right? DUH. It's illogical and intellectually-weak, but I have come to expect that of you griper's forever types...

CMP, willing to bet the ranch that gamefish for stripers NEVER happens in my lifetime

kwakr
09-22-2003, 02:20 PM
How big is your ranch and how long are you planning on living?

CMP
09-22-2003, 03:13 PM
LOL, trust me, you couldn't afford any of them. TTFN...

CMP

flatts1
09-22-2003, 03:55 PM
If you can't sell them, why would the bottom feeders referenced in the article bother to catch them illegally (because they were neither tagged nor reported) in the first place?

Bycatch? Another REAL problem facing striped bass that folks involved with SF chose to ignore. I assure everyone reading this thread that the bycatch problem with striped bass far exceeds any "threat" that legitimate commercial striper fishermen pose on the fishery.

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Onshore
09-27-2003, 07:41 AM
A group like Forever Stripers sending e-mails to politicians is like my cat chasing it's tail. It may make the sender/group feel good but it's just a lot of spinning that goes nowhere.

Most Senators and Congressmen either delete e-mails without reading them or have a nice message automatically returned to the sender thanking him/her for the comment.