Peacock flies (2 attempt)

[Armando]

ok this are the flies I tie for the peacocks, payaras and the other wild fish in the Orinoco and the Amazon basins.
2/0 to 3/0 hooks. They are 7 and half inches long.

[Armando]

Oh boy why so huge. heres another one

[Armando]

A third one

[Armando]

And a forth and last

[FLYRODER]

Armando very nice!!! What material are you using? Looks like Enrico EP Fibers.

[Armando]

Well talking about cheap materials, all this hairs where founded in a needle work shop, they sell this very fine nylon cords, you comb them and voila. Its just like kinky hair and some others just like Orvis spider web hairs.
The molded eyes were also bought there, $0.72 a dozen

[Saltydog]

Armando, nice lookin, heres a PEACOCK SPEAR.
'GOOD LUCK GOOD TYIN"

[100]

Howdy,
I'm new in this forum. I'm from Brazil.
I use this tube for peacock bass, snook and other game fishes.
Best regards,
100

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[Armando]

Hey saltydog check this one out. welcome 100

[Ozmo]

I like to use a clouser for the peacocks here in South Florida. Chartreuse & white works as well as Olive/Yellow/Orange. I'll post a picture when I get one to turn out alright. Of course most of ours are much smaller than the one's down your way!

Ken

[striblue]

Armando... great job.. I think there are great!

[Armando]

Thankyou Striblue coming from you its a great compliment you are one of the best tiers I've seen. I am still collecting leaves and twigs for that crab pattern.

[Armando]

Hi Ken
This one is a 25 pounder, fished deeper than usual.
Best regards

[Ozmo]

Nice fish! Nice flies also, meant to put that in my earlier post. If you're up for a laugh here's one I caught earlier this spring:

http://www.pbase.com/kstaples/fishing

We have some bigger ones here and I've heard rumors of some that are approaching the size of the ones down here but I haven't seen them yet! Still, small peacocks are better than none at all!

Ken

[Armando]

Nice little peacock, are you fishing those on light tackle?
I've used here a #3 rod, managed to tie a fly on a #4 hook with just some hair and flash. It is still a little heavy but double hauling will do the trick to cast the fly with this rod.
I've caught 4 to 8 pound peacocks and they sure feel like a whale.
Try intermediates or sinking lines a little further from the shore, specially at midday. Big peacocks look for drop offs to hunt and hide, in the morning and afternoon they will move to shallow water, look for rocks more than trees or weeds. Also some schools of young peacocks tend to look for shallow water in the beaches just when the sun is hotter than hell, you wont see them but you'll be amazed, each cast is a strike.
I hope this helps you get the bigger ones.

[Ozmo]

Hi Armando,

I'm fishing them on the lightest rod I have, a 6 wt. Typically I'm using clousers in #4 or 1/0. I like the idea of the intermediate line. Most of ours you can sight fish from the bank but there are bigger ones just a bit off the shore. I've caught some in the 2-3 lb range. My friend Neal has found some 5-6 pounders. We're always on the quest for larger ones. I think our state record is in the 11-12 lb range. Again, I've heard rumors of some larger ones lurking around. Gotta find them!

Thanks for the tips, I'll be trying them out. I'll also post some more pictures of some of the larger ones when I get them developed.

Ken

[Ozmo]

Hey Armando,

Here are a couple of pictures of our local fish. Nowhere near the size of your guys, but i'm looking!! ;->

http://www.pbase.com/kstaples/fishing

Ken

[Armando]

Hi ken
Those peacocks are the biggest species, of them all Cichla temensis, theres another specie Cichla ocellaris which is smaller with a maximum weight of 15 lb.
C. temensis will grow up to 40 lbs, which is the biggest one I've known about. So I don't see why they wont grow bigger in your waters if the conditions are ok.
Some other species are considered like C. royalis etc.. this are smaller, something like 4 species in all, but I think there are only the two I allready said, the rest will be subspecies adapted to other conditions, just by geographical isolation, Ph, river runs etc...

So you have a potential giant in your waters, and there must be some allready. Try to fish them with the tips I gave you last time, something has to come up.
I know how sick you can get about peacocks they are too strong and to wild.
Ever considered a trip to their home waters?
Best regards

[Ozmo]

Hi Armando,

I agree, there should be some of the giants around, just have to keep looking. They're pretty well established in Miami-Dade and Broward counties, the winters don't have much of an impact in the southern regions. Now it's just a matter of finding someplace that others haven't! ;->

Great info on the species, thanks! I know florida tried all of the species and ended up introducing two of them: the butterfly and the speckled (does that match the species name). The butterfly took but the speckled didn't, although there are some pictures around of some.

I've definitely considered a trip down there. I might be going to Brazil in the next few months. Think the flyrod is going to come along for the ride...

[Pucho]

Hola Armando, wich nylon cord you are using for those flies, the crochet nylon? or something bigger, we have here in Puerto Rico peacocks, i have never try them but I will soon with a 5 wt.
Pucho

[Armando]

The dry season has just begun, I'll be working the rivers on February, the rivers will be great in those months, the lagoons will be low so I wont have to adventure a fly into the jungle.
If everything is ok, why don't you come with me, this Colombian rivers are packed with peacocks, payaras, sardinatas (tarpon fresh water version) etc..you'll be very busy.
Hey Pucho, I always use a #8 rod for my Orinoco and Amazon fishing, I just love light tackle for huge fish. If the peacocks in Puerto rico reach a considerable size you should use an 8 otherwise a 6 will be ok. As I told Ozmo, I also take a #3 rod to this rivers just to have some fun fishing peacocks on such a light rod. If you can cast the flies with a 5 then go for it. I guarantee you'll be hooked up by them.
The nylon cord for the flies is called here "cordon Franciscano" just take a look at the fibers they have to be really thin, you'll find yellows, whites, black, brown, purple, green and red.
Best regards

[Pucho]

Thanks for the invitation, that is one of my dreams to visit south america jungles and rivers, here the peacoks are in the 4-8 lbs and i think the record is 14 lbs and few oz.
Pucho