Can anyone answer these two questions?

[castingmaniac]

Gee golly by gosh! It's been awhile since I last posted here.

I am pretty sure that alot of you are in your winter tying modes, so it made sence to put these out there.

First-Does anyone know Bob Veverka's recipie for a silverside? I have seen the pattern and it looks like a winner but I haven't been able to find it on the web or in any of my references. Frustrating!

Second-I have some 5 minute epoxy that's getting a little old. The resin component is forming solid particles and is thickening up. Is there a way to undo this or should I give the supply a proper disposal? (the stuff is Flex Coat by the way)
Any responce is appreciated.

Catch you later! --125-3

[ruge13]

Do you mean the ez body or flex cord silverside? In which case I do at home and will put it up tomorrow...

[tyguy]

Second-I have some 5 minute epoxy that's getting a little old. The resin component is forming solid particles and is thickening up. Is there a way to undo this or should I give the supply a proper disposal? (the stuff is Flex Coat by the way)

I would delete the epoxy, replace it with fresh. :)

[Quicksilver]

I have been able to revive Devcon Epoxy by placing the containers in hot water for 30 minutes. The water should be really hot, doesn't need to be boiling. The effect on the epoxy seems to last for a month or so.

[tyguy]

Yeah, I've tried that, but I guess mine was too far gone. It did help some and I was able to get enough of it to finish a job, but I threw the rest out after that.

[castingmaniac]

Do you mean the ez body or flex cord silverside? In which case I do at home and will put it up tomorrow...

At least that what it looks like. I have a length or two of EZ Body braid in my tying material supply so I am 95% sure that it was the EZ body pattern I saw.
If there is a FlexCord silverside I'll take a look at that one too.

[castingmaniac]

I have been able to revive Devcon Epoxy by placing the containers in hot water for 30 minutes. The water should be really hot, doesn't need to be boiling. The effect on the epoxy seems to last for a month or so.

Seems like it would at least hold me over until I am able to order up another
set of fresh product.

Thanks Guys! --127-3-

[BobG]

Pretty much all the heads, on all the flies I use 5 minute epoxy on turn a lovely shade of amber after several months. :mad:
I doubt I'll ever use it again.
Is this happening to you guys, or am I doing it wrong again. :confused:

[Mark Cahill]

but in the process of writing a book I learned that low quality epoxy has that tendency. Also had a similar problem when I was manufacturing costume jewelry. The stuff at the hardware store doesn't cut it, but there is much better stuff available. I always bought from places in RI that dealt with the jewelry trade. Tell 'em you want the stuff that doesn't turn color, they'll know what you mean. I'm sure there are other places to get good epoxy also.

[sage fly guy]

Bob,

I use the 5 minute on some of my flies, including Dave Sellers SST. Which if you have seen it is almost a total epoxy creation and very large fly. I have some that are over 2 years old and still look the same as the day they were tied.

I don't know what if anything I do different, but I bag each individual fly and keep them in a dark spot away from any light source at all.

If you don't want to ever discolor use some rod builders epoxy. I like the American Tackle epoxy for both rods and flies. Good stuff.

[BobG]

SFG,

Interesting you don't that discloration.
I use that "part A" "part B" stuff. I've bought it at the Bear's Den, and also at the dreaded (bless me Father for I have sinned) WalMart. You know the stuff, two tubes, sharing a common plunger type arrangement, so the proper amounts come out at the same rate.
I mix it in a small clean, non-reactive plastic container, stir it very well, then apply it to all the flies I want ruined. :confused:
I then place the flies on a drying wheel, and spin dry.
They all turn yellow... :confused: :confused: :-%

[tyguy]

but in the process of writing a book I learned that low quality epoxy has that tendency. Also had a similar problem when I was manufacturing costume jewelry. The stuff at the hardware store doesn't cut it, but there is much better stuff available. I always bought from places in RI that dealt with the jewelry trade. Tell 'em you want the stuff that doesn't turn color, they'll know what you mean. I'm sure there are other places to get good epoxy also.

Hey Mark, what is the brand of this epoxy you speak of? I have been using Devcon 5 minute epoxy and have had a pretty good life span with my epoxy flies. They don't seem to turn yellow quite as fast.

When watching Enrico Puglisi tie some epoxy head flies last year at Somerset, he stated that the 30 minute epoxies are much better than the 5 minute variety, in that they will not yellow. I found that to be a rather broad statement.

He also sez to mix your epoxy on a piece of glass, not paper products. According to him, the paper "contaminates" the epoxy and will cause it to turn yellow. Hmmm... okay. I started using a square ceramic bathroom tile to mix on, it works fine, but I cannot say it is any better than a Post-It. :confused:

[jaybo]

I must concur with TyeGuy on this one. Many years ago I asked Jack Gartside how to keep my epoxy flies looking good. Jack recomended 30 minute epoxy and to also not to place the epoxy on anything paper. Jack recomended using a piece of foil saying that the bleach and the other chemicals in the paper would leach into the epoxy and later cause discoloring. Hey, guess what ol' Jack was right.
Cheers, Jaybo
:-%

[scruffy_fish]

I found the 5 minute epoxy will eventually turn amber when exposed to saltwater and UV light. Switched to the 30 minute epoxy through Jack’s recommendation at a tying class, and have flies that are 3 years old and still look great. You'll definitly need a rotary drying machine for the 30 minute kind. I use small pieces of glass cut into squares for mixing. Epoxy also has a shelf life so buy new stuff every season, it shouldn't break the bank.

I’ll have to get back to you on Bob’s silversides pattern, it’s not listed on his web site (http://enhanced-designs.com/veverka/). I have one, I just can’t remember the recipe at the moment. :confused:

Found a likeness of Bob's silversides, not his fly but his pattern.

[ruge13]

Here it is from hisInovative Fly tying book...

Hook: Tiempco 800S #1 or 1/0
Tail: Olive Flashabou
Body: Pearl E-Z Bodi-braid
Belly: Silver foil
Eyes: Withcraft, Black on Silver #2
Head: Epoxy
Marking Pen

1 - Taper both ends of the ez bodi to make it easier to tie in.
2 - Feed hook into ez bodi and set in vise.
3 - Feed in body colors (flashabou and silver foil), tie off at both ends to lock in color strands and keep Olive flashabou extending past tail or ez bodi for tail
4 - Shade with marking pen
5 - Eopxy head, add eyes, and final epoxy