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twofinbluna
09-25-2007, 01:15 AM
While the season is not over yet, I have been very happy with the signs of recovery in the GOM in the absence of midwater trawlers. We saw a lot more herring this summer than in the last 5+ summers. We saw a lot more herring this summer, especially in the first half of the season, which is a great sign. Given that the ban only began on the first of June, we were lucky to see any improvements this summer.

The most herring we saw was in the first half of the season, like I said. This is probably because of a couple reasons. First, early on, the herring are just arriving and they seem to all be together at first. Before midwater trawlers, when we truly had a lot of herring, it would fill in all the spots along the coast and offshore. But now, there is clearly less herring around and will be for a while to come, since so much damage was done. So, at first the herring was thick in a few spots, but then spread out across the coast. There were times and places later in the season with lots and lots of herring, but as a rule, it seemed spread from the west all the way to Canada as the season went on.

(Many people think that the 'resident' herring for most areas have been depleted, and the herring we are seeing is migratory. This makes some sense because the fish move aorund a lot. There does not seem to be enough herring to fill in all the spots. While it is better than last summer when there was nothing anywhere, this lack of consistency is a key example of the long term damage that has been done to the herring stock.)

Second, you have dogfish. The dogs seem to spread out the herring on top and inhore. It is not nearly as bad as with midwater boats, but it was noticeable. Luckily, herring has ways to avoid the dogs, like going deep...it does not have any defense to midwater trawling. Later in the summer, the herring was often on bottom all day on pieces of bottom, or out in the deep water.

There were more big tuna around this summer than anything in years. We saw so many more tuna it is not even funny. Multiple days with 50+ bunches chased or seen. The weather paralyzed us, but whenever we got out, we saw plenty of fish. And those fish were in places we had not chased them since before midwater trawlers showed up. As of the last time we sent out, a couple weeks ago, the fish were still there. That may be the most amazing thing of all: we never saw a fish in the GOM after mid-june in multiple summers. This summer they are still here and its almost Fall.

The little ones invading combined with weather really hurt the harpoon fleet, and the dogfish basically shut down the chummers...but do not let any of that fool you into thinking that there were not more tuna...I cannot get too specific, but trust me, we had many *hours* this summer seeing more fish in the GOM than in the last 5 years *combined*; that is, single hour-long periods seeing more than in 5 years combined.

And groundfish guys, commercial ones especially, were seeing fish in places they had not seen them inshore in years. That is a great sign.

Whales, birds, and everything else was around. Like I said, the best whale show was in the first half of the summer, and because more spread out as the herring spread out.

Another truly amazing sign was/is the little forage around. We saw so many more little herring this summer than in the last 5 years it is a joke. We had not seen little herring in a long time, this summer at times it was everywhere. Many of us believe this is a sign of the true damage that was done by midwater trawlers- the last few years, there were so few herring spawning that there was almost no little herring around. And the little herring, easy to catch, we slaughtered by the trawlers.

Same goes for other species- there are little macks everywhere. Portland harbor has been full of them for weeks now...completely thick. Last night I caught two tinkers on a single mackerel jig (inch long), both foul hooked. Thats a lot of fish to foul hook two at the same time with a tiny hook. And you could have sat there all night doing that.

What we are seeing is that there are a lot of species other than herring that were crushed by the midwater boats. Whiting, and pogies are he other key examples. All are doing better this year than in the last 5...that is not a coincidence.

But unfortunately, we are not there yet. The summer ban is nice but not enough. It is painfully clear that even with our improvements this summer, there has been some serious long term damage. These boats will be back in in a week, and will be hungrier than ever. Many people worry that unless we get a year round ban, that covers aall of the New England coast, nothing will get back to where it should be. There is little doubt in my mind that midwater trawling does not ever belong inshore. My guess is that many of you agree.

In the next few weeks, I will start putting stuff up here for people to use to show their support for more changes to how herring is managed. Hopefully all of you have been able to see the improvements from our efforts so far, but will also see that much if left to do. The next few months are crucial because in November the NEFMC will be making its priorities for 2008. If we cannot get them to put herring on the list, we will not see any more changes to the herring fishery until, at the earliest, 2010. That would not be good, given the problems remaining.

As I said, there are ways to help. Watch for the sample letters I will post in the coming weeks that you can sign and send in. Also, any of you who have charter companies, tackle shops, or any business-related link to this part of the ocean, end me a PM because we have a Sign-On letter going around that people can sign on to.

Anyways, I was happy with the improvements, I think a lot of people believed nothing would change in such a short time. But midwater trawling is so damaging that any time without them will mean improvements. If we can all fight together on this, we will be able to get rid of th trawlers inshore for good, all throughout New England.

Lucky
09-25-2007, 09:19 AM
I'm with you...this year for me was dramtically better than last year with many more tuna seen, hooked and landed...and noticably more baitfish species.

I look forward to your coming posts and will continue my support.

twofinbluna
09-25-2007, 05:51 PM
Thanks Lucky, much appreciated!

twofinbluna
09-25-2007, 05:58 PM
That picture I had of the sounder with the herring on it gave the lat lon, was not a secret spot or anything, but because some of the herring guys do in fact patrol these sites, I am taking it down. They never looked in that area so do not want to give them a freebie. They would have loaded their boats in no time the day that pic was taken.

(We were out in late June on the southern half of the Ledge, and all the herring boats were around and looking for the harpoon fleet because they said they had read a thread on either this site or one of the other two that said the herring were thick all over southern Jeffreys. They must have not checked the date on the message since they came a week or two late, but they had no shame saying on the radio what led them down that way. So, it may seem paranoid, but I am not giving out numbers on any sites when it comes to herring.)

HIGHTIMES
09-25-2007, 08:34 PM
twofin-

Great news to hear!! Thats great you saw so many giants- did you have a productive season???

mainecoast
09-25-2007, 08:43 PM
I agree. I have seen more life this year than in a while. It is amazing that we could see this much just by not allowing the trawlers one portion of the year in the first year.

Imagine if the forage were given more time to rebound??????

twofinbluna
09-26-2007, 03:37 AM
twofin-

Great news to hear!! Thats great you saw so many giants- did you have a productive season???

Given the bad weather we had most of the summer, I think we are all thankful up here in Maine for what we were able to see and catch. It could have been a much better summer if we had some decent stretches of weather more than once a month, but thats life. It is a big relief to have weather being the culprit rather than there being no fish, like in the past few years. The most important thing is that they were here all summer, and in larger numbers. Offers a lot of hope for the future...a welcomed change.

There were certainly enough fish here all summer that there should be something going past the areas off Chatham this Fall. My main hope now is that guys are there to get them when they come through. It would be shame if not enough guys are out there for them to find the fish when they come. I have faith though. Maybe Ipswich Bay will reallllly explode before its over too. There were years in the past when almost the whole general quota was caught after mid-August in Ipswich Bay (chumming). Dogs will play a big part in whether that can happen now or not, I'd assume.

Anyone here going, hope you get em (and that the weather is better to the south than it is up here!)

twofinbluna
09-26-2007, 03:38 AM
I agree. I have seen more life this year than in a while. It is amazing that we could see this much just by not allowing the trawlers one portion of the year in the first year.

Imagine if the forage were given more time to rebound??????

Hopefully it will get that chance...if we keep fighting, we can get there. It would really be amazing to see the midwater guys gone all year...imagine what would be around.

Frankie G
09-26-2007, 07:30 AM
I've been after the tuna for about 9 years, and this summer was by far my most productive at 12 fish, though admittedly, I was only able to get out maybe once a week. I saw way more BIG fish crashing, especially on the SWC. I also saw a ridiculous amount af cow bass out on the bank engulfing the sand eels as well as very big bluefish, and I emphatically agree with twofin- I have not seen as many massive schools of mature pogies in the Boston Harbor area in the last 20ish years as I have seen this summer. I am fully supportive of continued measures to help reduce the pressures that have been put on a the offshore herring population, as keeping the trawlers out of those areas will naturally allow other forage species to flourish.
As an aside, I'd also like to say that their has been more thought provoking posts put up on this board this season (with some very constructive conversation), and way less bitching and moaning and flaming than in the 3 seasons that I have been a contributing member, and the few years before that when I was a "lurker". I have made and received more calls from RT members on and off the water sharing intel and technique. It is refreshing, as a few years back, the board seemed to be going the other way. Let's keep it up.

Frank

dereks
09-26-2007, 05:56 PM
Judging by the numbers of draggers and commercial boats w/ 130's on the transom headed in/out of the Annisquam river I would say they are definitely picking away at a few fish in Ipswich Bay, no massive bite but they must be there. Just too many guys moving around at pre-dawn & dark!;)

backman
09-26-2007, 09:03 PM
on the other hand the area between the Vineyard and the Lanes has been a dead zone the past 2 or 3 years with only a few reports of schoolie bluefin. 10 years ago you could see small tuna inside Nomans, on occasion heard reports of them in Vineyard Sound and could walk on them from the cool water around Noman's down to the Dump.

I fished with a couple guys my age or older who have been away for a while, but fished the area in the 80's and 90's. Their observation was the same "what happened - where did all the life go?"

I was out at the BB in the late 90's when the lights of the 200+ boats stretched for miles, making a floating city and you could see tuna schools move through the drifting fleet your way by watching one light after another turn on running lights and start wildly moving to stay on top of the fish and try and get clear of the fleet.

It was a *big* thing last week when a Falmouth boat trolled up a 730-something fish out east;' I've marked and seen a few big fish out there; but again 10 years back the area was alive with downeasters and 130's; spotter planes and stick boats.

yes the 36' fish are now a more meaty 47", but the fishery is nothing like I first saw a dozen years back and that was a far cry from the fishery a dozen years befoe that.

happytuna
09-26-2007, 11:10 PM
ive been ipswich bay and seen a lot more boats this year than the last few and there has been some decent bite days if your there and some guys are prety hot and others not so hot but there seems tobe a good amount of herring around hpofully a good fall comming

Codfisher
09-27-2007, 08:09 AM
there seems tobe a good amount of herring around hpofully a good fall comming

Enjoy it while it lasts Oct 1 is coming and the herring will be gone.

twofinbluna
09-28-2007, 08:23 AM
As an aside, I'd also like to say that their has been more thought provoking posts put up on this board this season (with some very constructive conversation), and way less bitching and moaning and flaming than in the 3 seasons that I have been a contributing member, and the few years before that when I was a "lurker". I have made and received more calls from RT members on and off the water sharing intel and technique. It is refreshing, as a few years back, the board seemed to be going the other way. Let's keep it up.

Frank

Good call, Captain. While I have not been here as long as you or many of the others here, I feel that in the time I have spent here that things have improved. Its good to see guys becoming more active in management issues such as the herring one, too.

twofinbluna
09-28-2007, 08:26 AM
Enjoy it while it lasts Oct 1 is comming and the herring
will be gone.

Yes, October 1st is fast approaching...lets all hope that there are herring left after the midwater trawler onslaught. Anyone on the water, bring your cameras and take pictures if you are unlucky enough to be around those boats. Like I said, within the next week I will put up letters for people to send in...my guess is that once everyone gets reminded of how bad the midwater boats are in the coming weeks, that people will be more eager to send in those letters.

George, did you and Bob get those brochures?

Codfisher
09-28-2007, 08:34 AM
George, did you and Bob get those brochures?

Yes we did. I took a third of them and distributed them to clients and friends. Signed postcards are in the mail. Thanks Chris.

twofinbluna
09-28-2007, 08:53 AM
Thanks George, much appreciated. Let me know next time you are up this way.

Codfisher
09-28-2007, 10:43 AM
Chris check you PMs