Hey hey hey ?

[phillyflyguy]

Water temps 72 degrees...wheres fat albert?

[flysully]

Hey, hey, hey. Maybe where you are the water temp is 72 but not here on LI Sound. No albies/bonito now, maybe in a couple or three weeks but not now.

[JGH]

Water temps 72 degrees...wheres fat albert?

You're W-A-A-A-A-Y early, my friend. Albies by mid-Sept (I hope!).

[brushfly]

It's early for them but my friend did mark 72 degrees in Cold Spring Harbor last weekend.

[phillyflyguy]

uhhh I'm in philly....but i was looking at an ocean temp map online that showed most of central jersey at 72deg


yeah its a little early but the waters warm....

JGH not sure where you are but I think you might be missing at least a month of the albie season

early august is normal nj/li first appearance

[brushfly]

Can't say I've ever seen Albies before the last week in August. That's when I had my boat in Montauk. In Long Island Sound push it out another two weeks or so. Bonito maybe but no albies. Not to say there not in NJ earlier on.

[Capt.Dino]

They are here big time ( Jupiter Florida ) Fished a few of the guy's from Montauk this past week & they crushed them to 18#'s. Also got a couple of Dolphin. The one problem is the boy's in the brown suit's are here for there free meal. We had a big Hammer Head come by the boat today ( We were in the 18 foot skiff ) to investigate what was going on & he was almost the same size as the skiff

[phillyflyguy]

thanks for the report captain

im not sure why you are posting a florida report as a reply to this thread though

?

[brushfly]

IMO it makes more sense then you questioning the presence of Albies around the tri-state area in July!

[Northfork]

Yeah, out here on east LI things don't get started usually until 9/15 - give or take a few days either way. That's my observation. Can't speak for the NJ coast. Love them to come in earlier and leave later. But that all depends on the bait and the weather.

[venture]

False Albacore are offshore pelagic species. They come inshore when migrating. Concentrations of migrating inshore bait coupled with cooling offshore temperatures signal their internal behavior to migrate and feed heavily. That is why on Sept 15, bonita and false albacore can be caught regularly through out the northeast inshore grounds.

You can catch False Albies, Skippies and the occasional bonita right now in the north east. You just have to go offshore. They are there now and causing a pain for those trolling tuna. Most of them will come in as the water cools offshore, and travel the coast eating everything.

So its not the warm temps that bring them in but rather the opposite, cooler temps that trigger the need their need to migrate.

Howie

[phillyflyguy]

not saying you are wrong but I've never heard that one before... hard to believe that offshore water does much cooling at all in the last part of aug and first two wks of sept...

and guys im not THAT crazy...looking back on old RT posts 8/16 was the earliest I saw fer Albs and 8/2 for Bones

this old article on BI says 'Like annual, late-summer tourists, false albacore and bonito move into Block Island's waters around August 1, with the bonito the first to turn up'

http://www.blockisland.com/marine/fishing.htm

wish Id kept a fishing log

I think the main thing that puts them and other species on the move is the same thing that tells us winter is approaching and that is... the angle of the sun.

water temps and bait are local/variable factors that are certainly important but maybe the fish have an internal clock cued to the seasonal light...its a way more reliable method of knowing where they should be over the long term

Ill be on the Block last two weeks of Aug

gettin psyched ...can ya tell?--126-3-

[brushfly]

not saying you are wrong but I've never heard that one before... hard to believe that offshore water does much cooling at all in the last part of aug and first two wks of sept...

and guys im not THAT crazy...looking back on old RT posts 8/16 was the earliest I saw fer Albs and 8/2 for Bones

this old article on BI says 'Like annual, late-summer tourists, false albacore and bonito move into Block Island's waters around August 1, with the bonito the first to turn up'

http://www.blockisland.com/marine/fishing.htm

wish Id kept a fishing log

I think the main thing that puts them and other species on the move is the same thing that tells us winter is approaching and that is... the angle of the sun.

water temps and bait are local/variable factors that are certainly important but maybe the fish have an internal clock cued to the seasonal light...its a way more reliable method of knowing where they should be over the long term

Ill be on the Block last two weeks of Aug

gettin psyched ...can ya tell?--126-3-

Now that sounds like Bonito time to me. I'll be a bit further east on MV last week in Aug. looking for the same, and if Mr. Albie makes a showing so be it. My first trip to MV back some years ago we arrived the Sunday of Labor Day weekend, I think it was the 1st that year and they were in big time that whole week.

[hobbyshop]

We used to do go up to Nantucket every summer to fish at the celebrated "bonito bar" off Madaket. The bones would arrive like clockwork end of July and you could still find them around well into August. Lots of fun to catch and (unlike albies) great eating, especially raw. But I've never been able to find them around LI. Albies, yes (starting mid-Sept.), but never bones. Anyone have any luck with them in recent seasons in the NY area? I've heard they used to come in around Little Gull and the Sluiceway mid-summer but haven't made an appearance in several years.

[browndog]

As stated, there should be some bones around B.I. by mid august. Possibly albies but they've been pretty scarce the last couple of years. If you have access to a boat and can travel 10 miles or so south of the island you have a good chance of finding a variety of tuna - bluefin, skippies, bones, albies, and mahi.

[JGH]

[QUOTE=phillyflyguy;270108]
JGH not sure where you are but I think you might be missing at least a month of the albie season

I'm based in far western LI Sound but move the boat to Montauk in fall, where I've been fishing for almost a decade. If the albies reliably move into either of those places in mid-Aug, it's news to me. I bailed the albies last Sept. 12 in Montauk and I believe it was the earliest day I've had.

Elsewhere on the LI south shore, or around Breezy, sure, but August for albies out east -- not recently. I wish it were so.

[phillyflyguy]

Actually I'm trying to figure out how to get my friends boat over there right now.

Can you trailer a boat over on the ferry?

We could run over from PJ but then where to keep the boat?

I looked into docking fee's and we cant afford them at Champlins.

Anyone got any ideas ?


Thought about just anchoring up in the pond and using the kayak as a dinghy but I'm not sure thats legal?


:confused:

[brushfly]

Friends of mine in the area and local guides have caught them in August anywhere from Diamond Point on Lloyd Neck anywhere towards Crane Neck in Smithtown. Usually mid to late August. I've seen them only once along Valley Grove in Huntington Bay same time.

[JGH]

Friends of mine in the area and local guides have caught them in August anywhere from Diamond Point on Lloyd Neck anywhere towards Crane Neck in Smithtown. Usually mid to late August. I've seen them only once along Valley Grove in Huntington Bay same time.

Brushly -- Yeah, I've heard-tell of albies and bonita around Lloyd's, Eaton's, Matinecock, even off Port Chester. A trusted friend tells me there was a pretty good run of albies off the Norwalk Islands in 2007. Never seen any funny fish in these parts myself (and have burned a lot of gas looking for them). Not saying it hasn't happened, but just that they don't seem sufficiently reliable to consider fishing for them in the western Sound part of the "season" we enjoy further east later in the season.

Then again, who'd have thunk there'd be a bumper crop of porpoises around here? I did see those with my own eyes (and they were amazing). So maybe this is the year.... :confused:

[brushfly]

I moved my boat in from Montauk in 1996. Between that year and 2006 I could count on one hand the amount of times I had legit shots at Albies or Bones in this area. However, 2007 was a great September/ October. I had more shots in that period than all other years combined. A real fishery that season where you could target and find them. All of this was around Eaton's on any moving tide. 2008 was back to norm with only a school popping up now and then. Peanut bunker help it all that time of year.

[Hey19]

I have heard of people catching bones around eatons etc. I have never seen them though. I dont get to be out there every day. I have seen albies in the norwalk islands, but they are pretty sparse. I have always had luck in late sept out in montauk. Having to pick my days, I am more interested in when the wheelhouse of the season is, rather then how early they start trickleing in.

You guys can fluff them for AUG, Ill get out there for sept when they are ready to go.

[flycaster9]

Last year was nothing like 2007, when we had tons of bonito and then albies in the Norwalk Islands and LI from mid august until mid October (albies not until last week in september in Norwalk, first couple weeks of Setp. across the Sound), but Bones started showing on the North Shore the first week in August in a couple spots but only hung around for a few weeks. I found one more school of them at Eatons in mid September, and landed 10 bonito all year. Couldn't find any albies.

I have been hoping that the dolphins mean good things as well, but Norwalk was really dead this weekend.

[JGH]

Western sound near me (Rye/Larchmont) dead, as well. Lots of porgies for the kids), but I haven't had much luck with the fly or plugs lately. A troubling lack of bunker.

[Hey19]

Anyone know how to track down those dolphin that have been around the western sound?

[brushfly]

I've seen bunker my last few times out. Inside Huntington Harbor and out in the bay. A few of those times, big blues have been busting them up (outside) but it's still a tough pick unless you live line one.
Fluking with the family yesterday was real slow in the bay and not much better in the triangle around the last of the ebb.

Last time out with the fly was two weeks ago and we took a 29" bass in shallow water in the bay, had another fish in the harbor under bright sun around 4:30 at 26". Overall starting to slow down as backwaters warming up.

On a unrelated note: Is everybody else having the HARDEST TIME logging on these days. It takes four or five tried to get this window, then you have to LOG ON again. Is it just me? Trying to upload a pic and that's going nowhere too?

[fmw]

On a unrelated note: Is everybody else having the HARDEST TIME logging on these days. It takes four or five tried to get this window, then you have to LOG ON again. Is it just me? Trying to upload a pic and that's going nowhere too?

Not logging in, but it is now almost impossible to view this site on my office computer's Explorer browser (which must be a pretty old version). The site is very slow to load.

[JGH]

Anyone know how to track down those dolphin that have been around the western sound?

Spotter plane. ;)

[Hey19]

Re Spotter plane

I dont need another toy - At the moment.

[flycaster9]

Anyone heard of or caught anything fast the last few days?

Didn't see any in Block but heard one was caught. They showed on the North Shore for a couple weeks about this time last year

[flycaster9]

bonito that is, not albies

[hobbyshop]

Post on the New England forum reporting one caught yesterday in unspecified location, seems like somewhere in RI based on who posted. I just got back from Nantucket where my buddy and I fished for 3 days at the ever productive bonito bar and we caught zero, nada, nothing. First time that happened in 10 years - they're always on the bar by the first week of August. Tons of rain bait, birds but no one was hooking up. Even the blue fish were patchy. Strange year, hope it's a one-off.

[flycaster9]

Looks like they are really starting to fill in out on the islands and now on the RI coastline. Anyone seen anything in LIS or out on LI?

[MarkZ]

Looks like they are really starting to fill in out on the islands and now on the RI coastline. Anyone seen anything in LIS or out on LI?

Try early morn on optimal tides this coming week...they'll be there.

[Hey19]

I beat the Norwalk islands this weekend and saw nothing. Some reports hook ups etc kept me interested but I had no luck. Too windy/choppy to cover a lot of water w my eyes. I hear the LI Side was better, but I didnt want to beat myself up getting over there...