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Onshore
01-03-2010, 08:41 PM
OK, So I read in the Vinyard Gazette last month that a joint legislative committee will hold a hearing on the SF bill to make Striped Bass a Gamefish and end the commercial season.

So why is it so quiet on that subject? Where are all the SF saviors of the striped bass? Why aren't we being deluged by pleas to go to the legislative hearing? Has a hearing date even been set?

Both the House and Senate leaders, commenting on that bill have said they oppose it or, more politically correct; can not vote for it.

Now, back in 2009, on these forum pages I offered a $50 bet that the bill would not be passed into law so, I offer it again - first come first served. Did all you guys have such a good season in 2009 that you can't be bothered ?????????

riptide
01-03-2010, 11:01 PM
It's probably quiet because the ensuing rants from both sides get rude snippy and off topic. Both sides have been beaten to death 100 times over. That said I hope the bill passes. Now bring the flames:rolleyes:

north coast
01-03-2010, 11:02 PM
no one comes here anymore 'cause of all the ads:)

clambelly
01-04-2010, 08:20 PM
The Environment Committee will hold its next public hearing Thursday, January 14, 2010, at 11AM in Room A-2 on the following bills:


H 796 Patrick An Act relative to the conservation of Atlantic striped bass.

Soundking
01-04-2010, 09:38 PM
Maybe because people have other things to do than eat gold foil wrapped butterscotch, watch Laurence Welk, and start sh*t over the Internet. Jesus h, who freaking cares about everyone's respective pet causes? Is it so hard to just enjoy fishing, learn from others, and be unified under a common passion? I take as much accountability for past douchebaggery as anyone, but at the end of the day we're all birds of a feather. People who flyfish bag on lure chuckers, lure chuckers bag on bait fishermen. Back it goes on up the line. People are too reluctant to recognize the tactics and opinions of those they falsely look down upon. At the end of the day in this game, you can't criticize anyone unless you have mastered all methods and ideas. Basically, everyone other than Slappy needs to shut the f*ck up and cut the posturing bullsh*t.

We'll always disagree, but it is the most pedantic dispute imagineable. At the end of the day, it's all out of our controll so who really gives a sh*t? Climb off you straw men, grow some humility and accept different outlooks. It's the only way to improve.

influx99
01-04-2010, 10:21 PM
soundking is my hero.

IronSkippy
01-04-2010, 10:44 PM
Go Soundking...if it were not for the fact you used the lord's name in exasperation and mixed in some bad, bad words, I would have thought you had a past career as a "Priest Re-assignment" specialist.

My opinion on the lack of hoopla leading up to the hearing is that the SF crowd does not want the factual arguments of their opponents present at the hearing. I don't even think the event is mentioned on their site. Last I saw, their latest breaking news was about a swan painting or something. Sneaky little misinformed devils they are!!!

jb

boden
01-05-2010, 07:18 AM
Riptide and Soundking are right, it didn't take IronSkippy too long to start the flames.

gseries69
01-05-2010, 09:13 AM
Based on some of the posts I've read in the past it could be that all SF members have left this site.

I fear that another crash of the striped bass population may be the only path towards a change in the way they are managed.

As an old boss in the heavy construction industry used to say "Sometimes something really bad has to happen before something good can happen".

riptide
01-05-2010, 09:26 AM
Based on some of the posts I've read in the past it could be that all SF members have left this site.


Not ALL!:brow

http://www.stripersforever.org/images/decal.jpg

JoeA
01-05-2010, 09:45 AM
If the fate of the Striper were based on the fishing for them that I had this year in the Scituate area from minots light to Green Harbor, I would say they are in danger. There were fish landed of all sizes but the day to day consistency of catching them was diffferent than years before. During the mackrel run in May and October I couldn't buy a fish out of the areas I had fished for close to twenty years. I had a few hits here and there and landed a couple of small keepers but nothing like the fishing I had in the years passed. Last year I know there were numerous fish caught off of boston harbor and the north shore but the fishing in the Scituate has been different the last couple of seasons. The fish were around but not like they usually were. But then you go offshore to the bank and the schools of stripers are quite abbundant. I have seen some days out there when the stripers and sand eels are so thick you can walk on them. The bluefishing was very slow as well and again there were many schools on the bank all season long. It's winter time for sure. If we get through Janurary and half of February we'll be fine.

averagejoe
01-05-2010, 09:58 AM
Wish i could figure out how to embed video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg




Toking with Welk.

Capt. John
01-05-2010, 09:27 PM
First off...Happy New year I have not been on the site for weeks or even a month ?? But a few guys are right here... SF guys are just sick of pounding nails here and getting into fights with the commerical sector...go figure.

If everyone had great fishing in MA this year then ignore the obvious. Record low catch numbers up and down the coast, any and all high spots for fishing came from the states that are provided with bass from the Hudson stock like NY, NJ. All states that depend on the Chessy fish are f&%ed. The chessy is in bad shape and it's not producing enough stripers anymore. More and more illegal catches being sold and then caught and reported up and down the east coast.
I'm not saying rec guys don't kill thier share of fish...too many in fact in my opinion. Sorry to say (and you can let the flames fly) the MA comm fishery is a sham and I say that only because it allows ANYONE to go out and license to kill a bunch of fish even if they are not "A" commercial fisherman by trade, hell I would think even the MA comms would try and stop that.

So I say Go for it SF and good luck... SF organization gets my respect for at least standing up and fighting full throttle for what they beleive in. Kudos

Perch
01-05-2010, 10:09 PM
We desperately need this bill. Stripers are on the verge of collapse. We only manage marine fish after we wipe them out. Maybe this time we can do it right.
--Perch, loyal member of SF

CMP
01-06-2010, 08:49 AM
We desperately need this bill. Stripers are on the verge of collapse. We only manage marine fish after we wipe them out. Maybe this time we can do it right.
--Perch, loyal member of SF

Well, the agreement didn't last long, there Perchie. If the biomass is in such peril, and all biological data points out that that is untrue, then why on earth would we want to allow the group that accounts for 5-7 times the mortality than the group being banished to continue to kill them? There is no logic in this stupidity despite what you gripers forever people claim. Add to that the FACT that gripers forever is trying to keep numbers at these hearings DOWN to run a "stealth" campaign for this foolishness and you have a typical libtard massholachusetts political machine at work-really lends alot of credence to the "cause" :rolleyes: . You really want to "save" the fishery, then man up and push for a 100% no kill fishery or, better yet, a complete ban on fishing them at all, anywhere. Until then, stop peeing on everyone's head and telling them it's raining...

CMP --123-3:-%

Perch
01-06-2010, 08:56 AM
ďall biological data points out that that is untrue.Ē Golly, CMP you sure donít know how to read data:

In 2008 anglers landed (that is, killed and released) 14,107,835 fish coastwide, the worst year since 2000. In the north some guides had to cancel their seasons. Maine was down from 1,004,780 fish in 2000 to 518,988 in 2008; New Hampshire from 213,868 to 91,433; Massachusetts from 7,563,326 to 4,001,795; Virginia from 1,357,299 to 647,542; North Carolina from 293,080 to 136,699. In a commercial fishery the value of fish increases as they get harder to catch, so you may see more fish caught as a stock declines. Recreational landings, on the other hand, tend to follow stock abundance; and, in fact, stock assessments are based on recreational landings.

CMP
01-06-2010, 09:17 AM
Recreational landings used as hard data? LMFAO, come on Perch, you can do better than that...

CMP

ppatricelli
01-06-2010, 09:26 AM
"Ignore" lists on a bulletin board are a truly wonderful thing. You don't see anything that poster has written. I wish all boards had them. Every time this topic comes up my list grows a bit. Being continuously and persistently insulting without adding any information to the discussion has finally pushed my (that) button (again). With a carefully chosen "ignore" list, you can just concentrate on the fishing and good stuff and only "listen" to those you know from experience, have something coherent and relevant to say.

CMP
01-06-2010, 09:34 AM
Awww, Pete, yer breaking my heart. Try to stay with the rest of the class and address the issue, will you???

CMP

Bob Parsons
01-06-2010, 11:56 AM
We are back to the old tit for tit argument with nothing new or constructive being said. Since I can not ignore posts, I think it is time for this unproductive discussion to take a break.

Until someone has something new to say thread closed.