i'll have to give west beach a try...i really haven't fished there too much, cause there is never anyone else at brackenberry, but you are right, tons of eel grass...which is a huge pain...i'll give west beach a try tonight...no eel grass there? i found pics of the pamet special....i have similiar flies, so i'll tye em on and see what happens...my buddy hooked up with 2, 37" stipers in manchester harbor on saturday morning, from his canoe...on chunk herring...they're out there

take care. thx. -ff