I agree with tim wholeheartedly, I usually go with a tabory's snake fly, but this year I made a few with rattle tubes in them. Can't wait to try them. Other than that I think a wistler is a good Idea also, anything big and black, but I'm also thinking of where I fish at night. usually off the jetty or my favorite big estuary. I have a fishing premonition or maybe just a feeling, but does anyone else feel that white in the surf is better, even at night?