you know larry, i don't know what the hell your talking about. i posted for help last week, and many guys came foward with great advice. i spent the last few days wandering around the shops, catalogs, and on the phone to try to prepare for this fall and this winter(bonefishing--- my favorite), then you come along with something that seems to be written in code. i've fished the canal for 32 years, but fly fishing, i'm ignorant. give me time, i'll learn.:-)